h…-penny thoughts — 16dec25

Dropping hints.

Again, my head is off in the outer limits where the ozone thins and this might be one of those weirdo (I’m a creep/I’m a weirdo) kinds of subjects to try and hold a discussion around, but I have my personal reasons for asking about people and communicating in hints.

It seems like I am feeling like I missed essential core classes on how to perceive a hint. I will readily admit that I just don’t pick up on them as well as most folks, and conversations by way of hints almost always go over my head. Back in high school, I was that guy who if you liked me, you would eventually have to buy off a friend to come over to me and say something along the lines of: “You know? I think Jane really likes you.” I would respond with something idiotic along the lines of: “Well, I really like Jane too. She’s really a nice person.”

Cue the palm upside the occipital region of the back of my skull, which would then elicit an OW! quickly followed by a “Ohhhhh. Jane liiiikes me.”

As I said, I am pretty oblivious when it comes to hints, whether it is flirting or, I don’t know, household chores. Roommate: “It would be nice is someone took care of the dishes while I was working.” Nine hours later: “You didn’t do the dishes?” Me: “Huh?”

Yeah, I’m a idiot. I know this.

Part of it is that I often just don’t make the connection (although rarely as bad as the previous example; I’m not a complete idiot, just mostly one). The other part would relate to the first example. Maybe I kinda liked Jane too, but always felt like she was out of my league. Or from different sport entirely. In those cases, it is easier to not take a hint and be wrong than it is to take the hint and be wrong. I was willing to put up with the cranial jog in order to not have to lose face by taking a hint wrong.

One thing I’ve noticed in our digital age is the extremes. As a society, we are both far more explicit with our messaging and we are much less forthcoming in areas where we might suffer from embarrassments. Instead of a friend coming up and pointing out Jane likes a guy, she’ll have the same person give a digital poke with zero explanation. Not even the “Jane likes you” information. Another friend might take it upon themselves without Jane knowing and send a text message that drill down to the gory details about what Jane would like from you (in four-part harmony and 8×10 glossy pictures with a description on the back of each one).

But, aside from my sad and pathetic (pathetique?) attempts at adding comedy to your daily routine, I am curious to find out if you think we tend to communicate more directly or indirectly these days? Or both, depending on the circumstances?

Are you noticing any trends along these lines as well? Or am I just plain clueless as ever?

If you really want to be adventuresome, hit me with your best shot at hinting something to me in the comments. For science. Or silliness. See if you can trip me up even when I know there is a high likelihood that someone is trying to communicate indirectly with me. I promise you, I’ll probably miss it.


46 responses to “h…-penny thoughts — 16dec25”

  1. tara caribou Avatar

    As someone who also doesn’t get hints, I feel you here. What’s strange is, as an outsider, I often recognize hints for others. If we were out and about and woman was flirting with you, I’d say “Michael, she was totally flirting with you.” But I’d never see it for myself. I have always attributed it to being unfamiliar with those hints being dropped to me.

    I think you and I struggle with those hints because we’re a bit literal when it comes to such things. That’s why anymore I just straight up say things like, “I like you.” Because… well… sometimes it’s just easier to say it and there be no question or dancing around it. That and I’m absolutely terrible at flirting. Like, bad. (Too literal, remember.)

    I also agree that communication seems to have really changed for the worse. There’s so little face-to-face interaction. It’s all emojis and screens. In public, folks are becoming increasingly more bewildered or surprised when I reach my hand out to shake their hand.

    1. michael raven Avatar

      “Why are you trying to touch me?”

      “It’s called a handshake.”

      “Someone! Halp! This person wants to shake me and I don’t want to die!” 🤣

      Maybe we can sense someone flirting with us, but we’re the types who are all unconsciously like “Nah. Not me,” and so our perception gets shut down for ourselves, but we can totally see the other checking out someone we’re with because that filter hasn’t dropped into place for our friend. Perhaps?

      Although…. I’ll have to admit that I’m catching on when someone gives me that look like they bit into a bad nut when I say hello and act friendly-not-flirty. It means that they need to wash their hair tonight and don’t really have time to talk. I’ve made that connection at least.

      1. tara caribou Avatar

        I think you may be right. I do think that the perception of ourselves may be to “blame” for the disconnect.

      2. Chico’s Mom Avatar

        Covid did a number on handshaking.

        1. michael raven Avatar

          That it did, but I think it was on its way out anyway. I recall people starting in around 2015 leaving my hand hanging when I put it out. My daughter only will do it under duress — and then runs for the sanitizer when no one is looking. She was that way before COVID (an obsessive handwasher) due to anxiety about getting sick. But I gather that was the norm around her classmates too at the time (I’m sorry, all of her friends were flaky about the strangest things).

          1. Chico’s Mom Avatar

            I understand. Being germ sensitive has its benefits.

          2. michael raven Avatar

            And then there is my daughter, who washes her hands after washing her hands in case she missed something the first time. Sometimes a third time to be extra certain. Dial liquid soap is made exclusively to keep her in a supply of the stuff. 😂

          3. Chico’s Mom Avatar

            Keeping it clean so she can storm the castle someday. 😉

          4. michael raven Avatar

            Nice, Princess Bride reference. Interestingly enough, I used to say that loudly when I dropped her off at school back in 10th grade, windows down. “Have fun storming the castle!”.

            She would just sigh and pull up her hoodie.

          5. Chico’s Mom Avatar

            I remember you sharing that. And the Princess Bride was a great movie. 🎥

          6. michael raven Avatar

            Man… I’m starting to recycle my stories? Already? Dammit. I thought I had a few more years before that would happen.

          7. Chico’s Mom Avatar

            This platform is okay to recycle stories.

          8. michael raven Avatar

            Maybe I should start doing that when she gets a ride to her job at the thrift store….🤔

          9. Chico’s Mom Avatar

            Cool. She works at a thrift store. 🎉

          10. michael raven Avatar

            You’d actually be appalled at how many donations are considered “not profitable” and end up in a landfill these days. I get the impression that Salvation Army might be one of the least likely to not junk a donation just because it might not make money quickly.

          11. Chico’s Mom Avatar

            I don’t know if ever been in a Salvation Army store. Our closest one is 45 minutes away.

          12. michael raven Avatar

            The ones I have visited are more like a treasure hunt. So were the Saint Vincent de Paul stores I’ve been to. Now I know more about why after hearing about the disposition of some donations at the one my daughter works at.

  2. Chico’s Mom Avatar

    Same. Oh so the same. Even to the point my best friend said, “he’s flirting with you.” I’m like, no he’s not. He’s just being nice. You have to hit me over the head with a cast iron skillet for me to see the corn bread.

    The couple times that I’ve tired flirting, I feel like I’ve fallen flat on my face. And it left me feeling sorry for guys. Because we’ve been programmed as girls that they need to make the first move.

    I enjoy watching movies (Bond, James Bond) where all those hints are dropped. The characters are dripping with innuendoes. As far as real life goes. Not happening!

    Personally, l love emojis. Too often, I don’t know what to say. And some of the emojis are perfect. 👌🏻 This isn’t a new phenomenon for me. I’m the wall flower.

    I’ll share this funny yet embarrassing moment about communicating. We were having a meeting. Felt very informal. One of our clients was opening a new store. These are restaurants with very chicken names. Now, keep in mind that I know all the existing names. I started laughing and said, “would it be too funny if he named his new store big thighs?” Boy, I got the looks. It was right under that commercial where the man does the Georgia bark at his boss. 😂

    1. michael raven Avatar

      The whole men approaching women thing has different dynamics now that depend on the time and place. Believe me, I stopped understanding about 1994.

      I tend to use emoji to help convey intent. But that’s because I have foot-IN-mouth disorder and it helps keep the taste of sole off my tongue. That, and crow.

      🤣 Big Thighs. Oh… My….

      1. Chico’s Mom Avatar

        Yeah, I’m a hot mess. 😂

        I didn’t mean approaching with stalker vibes. Asking a woman out. Making the first move.

        1. michael raven Avatar

          Like I said, somewhere it became a big mystery to me as to what the rules were somewhere in the 90s. That might have been the scene I was hanging out in, or my ineptitude.

          We’ll go with my ineptitude as being the primary factor. 🤣

          1. Chico’s Mom Avatar

            😉 You got it.

  3. Tansy Gunnar Avatar
    Tansy Gunnar

    Honestly the way communication has changed in the past few decades and with the advancement of technology I question all interactions with others. I spend way more time then I ought to, trying to figure out if people are A.I. bots, scammers, or actual humans. Generally whenever I have to question those things, I don’t interact any longer.

    As for my actual communication, I try to stay professional unless people are considered friends. Then I’m silly and bubbly… sometimes that comes across as flirty. But it really just indicates that I feel comfortable being me in the presence of that person. I too, would never know if someone was flirting with me. Any male friends that are in relationships are always considered “brothers.” It’s just gross to flirt with a brother or allow one to try to flirt with me.

    1. michael raven Avatar

      I agree. Interactions can be hard, especially when you can’t determine if the interaction is real.

      I try to keep all my in-person interactions a bit on the closed side, although I do tend to go for the folksy kind of chatter that Minnesotans like to use. It probably comes from my years as a cosmetologist and barista, and tends to be low on substance unless I am comfortable with someone. I always had a rule that sex, politics and religion were off the table back then. I would quite plainly tell my clientele that those were not topics I was willing to chat about if they tried to steer the conversations those directions. And, of course, some people tried (most of them trying to find out if the guy cutting their hair was straight or gay). I wasn’t above flirting with them, but it was that “oh, you’re just being friendly” kind of flirt — part of the package of making someone feel special, not to be icky and obviously not serious. You know, the kind of flirting that you still had to wonder if the guy cutting your hair was straight or gay. 😂 I always let them wonder.

      1. Tansy Gunnar Avatar
        Tansy Gunnar

        I’m similar in that way, brother lol

        1. Tansy Gunnar Avatar
          Tansy Gunnar

          Hey… quick embarrassing true story about miscommunication… I ended up dating a woman that I thought was just my friend. It took us a few months to realize what was going on. Her roommate is who tipped us off when he asked, “oh you’re _____’s new girlfriend?” Then asked how dating was going with her. Actually, it’s happend a few times now that I think about it. I don’t notice someone likes me until they try to kiss me or someone points it out. 🤪🤔😁

          1. michael raven Avatar

            🤣 I can’t say I have had an accidental girlfriend or boyfriend before.

          2. Tansy Gunnar Avatar
            Tansy Gunnar

            LOL. Yeah, to make matters worse I had answered that first question incorrectly. I thought he meant, “girlfriend,” as in “a girl that is my friend.” I thought the roommate and her were a couple. I was pretty surprised to realize I was the one in a relationship. 😉

          3. Tansy Gunnar Avatar
            Tansy Gunnar

            That’s a prime example of why the people who know me describe me as “the dumbest smart person they know.” 😁

          4. michael raven Avatar

            Well, there’s a slight issue of someone forgetting to mention when they said you were their girlfriend that they meant so in the relationship sense. I think you get a pass on that one.

          5. Tansy Gunnar Avatar
            Tansy Gunnar

            I don’t think so Michael, I am pretty sure I asked the poor woman to go out to dinner or something. I was blind as a bat and totally clueless.

  4. lyndhurstlaura Avatar

    I loved the ‘Alice’s Restaurant’ quote – a hint for me to play it? No problem, I love it and I’ll play it anytime. 😂 Joking aside, I’m one of those who never got hints; or I did, never realised and nobody clued me in either. I’ve given a few, perhaps, but on the whole I’m not that familiar with them. I’m not a great communicator either, so don’t have much to offer on the subject. Sorry. 🤔

    1. michael raven Avatar

      Yeah, that song resonates this time of year for me.

      I tend to be pretty plainspoken myself. I avoid beating around the bush except in really awkward conversations. The only reason I bring this up is that I seem to have recently had several conversations that feel like something was being omitted from what was being said based on the tone and I was supposed to infer something from what was said — and I remained utterly clueless as to what that might be. It is very strange to be sitting in that situation.

      1. lyndhurstlaura Avatar

        It is a strange situation to find yourself in. The older I get the more I hate the ‘beating around the bush’ thing and prefer plain speaking. Good manners need to be considered, of course, but if people are resorting to hints I don’t think it’s about that. The hints say more about those who make them than those listening to them. Ignore and don’t worry.

  5. lodestarwytch Avatar

    Oh my….Knowing when someone likes me is my intuitive downfall 😅 I can walk in a room & know there has been an argument, know someone is holding back tears even with a smile plastered on their face but knowing/realising that someone likes me is where my intuition goes tone-deaf – like my kryptonite 😂 I have to practically be stalked before I realise – which has been my usual dating pattern lol. As Loki said once if we’d have dated at my speed we would have gotten married by the time I was 70 🤣 In my defense who expects a God to want to date & marry you? I mean come on Dude – if I’m blind to humans liking me….then yeah obviously He had to spell it out! 🙄 Glad I’m not alone in being oblivious 😆

    1. michael raven Avatar

      LOL. When someone has somehow penetrated my thick skull far enough to make it known to me that they like me, I revert from laid back casual to incapable of stringing together three words without looking like a complete idiot.

      That’s not to say that I don’t make a darned good village idiot on my own anyway.

      1. lodestarwytch Avatar

        I know the feeling well – let’s say if there were to be a live-action version of “Finding Nemo” I’d be a shoe in for a background fish part 🫨

        1. michael raven Avatar

          LOL. Don’t discount the idea that they might not try to do a live-action remake. I’ll give them your name.

          1. lodestarwytch Avatar

            🤣🤣🤣🤣

  6. chrisnelson61 Avatar

    These days you’d have a label!
    I am, and always was, an over-thinker in such situations: how does she like me? Is it friendship or more? Why? What if? etc…
    Then there was always the fear of misreading the message. Better, in some ways, to let the moment pass and avoid hurt replacing it with melancholy.
    I think that the divide between meaningful communication and the trivial has widened, and a lot of that has much to do with the way in which people communicate for sure; easier to drop a few emojis and ‘humorous’ comments than to discuss emotions. Perhaps that will never change, though.

    1. michael raven Avatar

      You said the “E” word. We don’t use the “E” word ’round here. 🤣

      You and I are too much alike. Melancholy is easy. Safer. One mustn’t get one’s hope up too much, right?

      You would think that communication would be easier, but it sure seems much more convoluted than thirty years ago. That might have something to do with how the language has evolved while I haven’t evolved as much. I swear, there are a thousand more ways to offend someone than before we were online all the time. And, the idiot that I am, I keep finding new ways to offend people that I never imagined would offend them.

      1. chrisnelson61 Avatar

        And that’s you over-thinking! Have I said the right thing and, more importantly, has the recipient understood me…? I do feel that maybe society has become a little over sensitive when it comes to taking offence. I’m not talking about comments designed to Offend more little things like, for example, telling someone that they aren’t doing things at work in the most efficient way – the response being ‘how dare you?’
        I won’t get started!
        Safe in our melancholy. Sounds good!
        Always expect the worst. That way you’ll never be disappointed!

        1. michael raven Avatar

          Some of us can and some of us cannot. That’s all there is to it. 😉

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