Half-penny thoughts — 06apr26

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A little bit of venting this Monday morning. If you are not into health-related posts or venting in general, you probably can skip this post.

About twenty years ago, I went to a general practitioner with an earnest complaint about some generalized pain I was experiencing that I couldn’t explain. It was sometimes in my joints, and sometimes muscular. Sometimes both. I asked what it might be, acknowledging that it might have some of the source being in arthritis. I also suggested that because my mother had been diagnosed with fibromyalgia, that it might be a factor in my increasing frequency of inexplicable pain.

She laughed out loud at my suggestion. And I mean, nothing held back at all.

“Men do not, I repeat, DO NOT get fibromyalgia,” she informed me between wiping away the tears of amusement.

She was wrong in so many ways. Because then she told me I was too young to have rheumatoid arthritis (RA). Except her preliminary, non-specific test suggested that I might have it (there’s this thing called “juvenile rheumatoid arthritis” that she apparently had never heard of, and I was in my 30s, so I quite easily could have had it). She referred me to a rheumatologist, who did give me a more specific test (non-conclusive) and decided I was positive, ergo I had RA.

To her credit, what little I will grant her, she at least did bloodwork. The doctor before her diagnosed me with being overweight and refused to consider any other possibilities.

The short version of what follows is that I took multiple drugs that did nothing to combat my perceived pain for over a decade, but did a number on my organs. Toxic stuff, y’know. The cure might be worse than the disease. And refused to run that more specific blood test when I told him that I had been sober for over a year and wondered if the meds were not working because the inflammation markers were from my alcoholism. “Stay the course” was what he would say every time I would mention the lack of pain relief.

Well, finally those drugs damaged my liver enough that a different rheumatologist gave me steroids to give my liver a break. Which apparently pushed me from being borderline diabetic (poor eating and high alcohol consumption partly to blame) to full-on diabetic. My body has never gone back since. Type-two diabetes is liver-adjacent in many ways, just to point something out. A fatty (alcoholic) liver that is under duress from toxic meds has a harder time processing glucose/glycogen conversion.

I gave up on RA drugs because they are immunosuppressants during covid. My pain neither increased significantly, nor did it go away.

I was tested by a practitioner who wanted to get to the bottom of my pain (but his clinic closed because investors bailed on the startup). He reran the standard tests and came up… negative. On all counts.

I’ve been off RA meds for 4 years. In a recent clinical visit to a new practitioner, she decided to run it again (her predecessor at the clinic had also run it two years ago). Negative and still in chronic pain.

Her tentative diagnosis this morning after reviewing my bloodwork and based on her exam? Fibromyalgia with complications from osteoarthritis and type 2 diabetes

I couldn’t come up with a better punchline if I tried.


I know some of you folks suffer from chronic pain. I have some good ideas of things that work on a temporary basis for mitigating my pain, and I have a good sense of what I might do — but I am curious how other (with arthritis and/or fibro, especially) handle pain management to see if I can learn new techniques. Tell me below if you have your own tips for these or other chronic ailments that might apply.

Or, have you ever had such a ridiculous journey only to end up where you thought you were when you started? Even though, you shouted from the passenger seat, that you thought the car was going in the wrong direction the whole time? [“Just shush, you! I’m a PROFESSIONAL™!” and yes, I was pointedly told that several times on this journey when I questioned their judgments.]

Have you ever had someone be so absolutely wrong about something important like your health? Rant below.


33 responses to “Half-penny thoughts — 06apr26”

  1. lodestarwytch Avatar

    I was put with a Psychologist for help with my OCD. The problem – my Psychologist didn’t believe in OCD 🤯

    1. michael raven Avatar

      Oh, FFS. I thought that was settled as being “a thing”. It’s different if they didn’t think it applied to you, but to outright disregard it as a possible diagnosis? Absurd.

      How did they explain your symptoms? I’m guessing general anxiety or something like that (which might be the same treatment, as far as I know).

      1. lodestarwytch Avatar

        She didn’t explain it – everytime I mentioned any party of my OCD she just sat there and repeated “WHAT are you doing?” ….almost like a compulsion 😅 I have the 6 sessions and she discharged me saying I was “Too difficult & talking therapy would not help me”. shrugs I gave up on getting any help, besides my medication, a long time ago. I do my own treatment, including exposure therapy.

        1. michael raven Avatar

          LOL. “Too difficult?”

          I swear. It didn’t occur to her that it was maybe her approach? No. Those kinds of people see the problem arising externally, not what they are doing. I used to be a barista in a medical building and there were plenty of medical professionals who were pretty darned sure that anyone who didn’t agree with them 100% was an idiot and insufferable (including the one who wanted to put me on a high dosage of lithium based on a single appt.).

  2. Chico’s Mom Avatar

    I’m sorry all this happened. 🙏🏻

    In my 30’s, I went to the doctor and had a Barium Sallow done. You drink this white chalky stuff, get strapped to a table; the table moves as x-rays are taken following the liquid. When it was over, the doctor walks in, hands me a pamphlet and says, you have GERDS. And walks out. Now, years later, we are looking at x-rays again and a Bravo study. This study, I swallow a micro chip that measures the amount of stomach acid I’m producing over two days.

    In my 30’s, I was young, scared and convinced myself that if the doctor wasn’t concerned why should I be? Now, 20 years later, I’m pissed. Mad at myself for not taking a stand. And the doctor for being so flip. I have been to the doctor three times in 20 years thinking I was having a heart attack when it was acid reflux.

    Sidebar: the worst thing you can be in this country is FAT. All your problems would go away if you’d just loose weight. 😡

    1. michael raven Avatar

      That’s kind of how I feel. A little pissed because my pain was dismissed, then misdiagnosed, and then made worse b/c of the misdiagnosis. Meanwhile, my rheumatologist was out on the golf course based on his quarterly fees he collected for my misdiagnosis and continued “checkups”. Yes, literally.

      Yeah, and of course it’s always shaming that they do to you: “Calories in versus calories out”, implying that if you just worked harder than you are, everything would be so much better for you — “it’s probably your fault that you aren’t losing weight or feeling better”. I hate the fat shaming of medical professionals. I’m overweight, but not fat, and I still get the shaming treatment in almost every visit. What kills me are the ones that are overweight themselves telling me to lose weight. Sigh.

      Sorry. I know you have had a similarly frustrating health journey. 😢

      1. Chico’s Mom Avatar

        I had a GP that I’d been going to for years. The in between the horrible pamphlet thrower and now. The last time I saw him he wanted to put me Monjauro (that might be spelt wrong.) I am not a diabetic. Though it does run in my family. I left. Found someone else. If I can help it, the pamphlet thrower will never happen again.

        1. michael raven Avatar

          That’s just a GLP-1 hormone, although I’ve not seen the brand name before. The more famous cousin is Ozempic. Off-label prescription use for that class of drugs is for weight loss, although designed for type-2 diabetes. I can see the justification, but doctors are all too willing to throw that stuff around these days without asking if it is because it is popular or because they think it will actually help the patient.

          1. Chico’s Mom Avatar

            Yelp. He said that and in my head I did the Shark Tank line, “and for those reasons, I’m out.”

      2. Chico’s Mom Avatar

        I’m in the part of the journey now where I’m going to fix this. So I have to stop drinking my beloved Mt. Dew because it has citric acid in it. 😢 I can have one as an occasional treat. One meal at a time, I will fix this.

        I have a friend that has psoriasis. This person learned that eating red meat makes it so much worse. Have you tried an elimination diet to see if some of your go to foods are making you feel worse?

        1. michael raven Avatar

          Not explicitly in recent years, but I have a good idea as to my dietary triggers. Essentially, the yummy stuff. LOL. And yes, seriously.

          1. Chico’s Mom Avatar

            It’s the yummy stuff that always gets us. 😢

            1. michael raven Avatar

              Yummy stuff probably got me to this place in part, I fear.

  3. Art Hernandez Avatar

    I have had RA since 14 years of age. Its called JRA juvenile RA. I have it in fingers, and in my eyeball (yeah eyeball). I was taking methotrexate and my Rheumatologist about 6 months ago took me off of it and prescribed me Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) as it has less side effects and it does not harm my liver like methotrexate. I use heat, rest, stretching and gummies to help with pain. my knees are crap as well with osteoarthritis. The RA meds do not help with that. Moving around, stretching, heat and mild exercise helps.

    1. michael raven Avatar

      Yep, I’ve been on both of those drugs. Needlessly, it sounds like. The methotrexate gave me the liver problems.

      Thanks for giving me your ideas. I thought about grabbing more gummies now that you don’t need a medical waiver here, but the dispensary has a line going around the corner most days and I’m like, fuckit. I should try to hit it when they first open up, on any weekday aside from Friday.

      1. Art Hernandez Avatar

        https://share.google/UMkti1oRXmJshS4N3 you can order here online 60mg thc gummies are strong so I cut it up one cube into 10 pieces.

        1. michael raven Avatar

          I’ll check it out. Thanks!

          1. Art Hernandez Avatar

            i have been using Chronic Guru for about 3 years now

  4. missparker0106 Avatar

    I have been struggling with vertigo/tinnitus/hearing loss for a very long time. Three ENTs later, all declined to entertain Meniere’s (even though my sister and mother were both diagnosed with it). I went to a neurologist to rule out any brain issues, and with one simple 10-second test in his office, he confirmed it was Meniere’s. It is now being treated (it can only be managed, not cured) accordingly.

    When you find a doctor who listens to/believes in you, hang on to them for dear life. If he wasn’t my daughter’s age, I would ask him to marry me. 🙂

    1. michael raven Avatar

      Glad to hear you found someone who listens. I had someone I REALLY liked. But when the clinic closed he went somewhere 45 minutes drive away. I’m still deciding about this one, but have a better vibe than others.

      Why not? What’s age but a number? 😊

  5. sopantooth Avatar

    I bet everyone’s going to have something for you here. X years ago I started getting numbness in my left side. I had no insurance of course so I ignored it as long as possible as is the American way. Eventually when I couldn’t hold anything in my left hand I went to the doctor. “You had a stroke!” cried the nurse. To the emergency room! Turns out I hadn’t had a stroke. What did happen? They don’t know. But they did charge me $15,000 for saying they had no idea. They said could do more tests and charge me more money but they weren’t sanguine about figuring anything out. A few months later I started doing yoga and I stopped having that issue. So probably just a pinched nerve or something. I’m not sure I’ve been more furious in my life then when I got that bill.

    1. michael raven Avatar

      Ooof.

      They didn’t think to — I don’t know — check for OTHER signs before shuttling you off? Single-symptom diagnosis for stroke? Seems like malfeasance at best. There are 6 different assessments that can be made on the fly, and I’m guessing you had none of the other symptoms.

      The hospital should have put the brakes on it right there.

      Wow.

      1. sopantooth Avatar

        I mean I’m sure they still would have charged me anyway so why not toss me in the machine as long as I’m there

        1. michael raven Avatar

          Ugh. Sorry, man.

  6. Jennifer Patino Avatar

    I’m so sorry. Because this all sucks. I’ve had a lot of doctors get a lot wrong throughout my life but the biggest one is being misdiagnosed all through childhood. I’ve always had epilepsy but for years I believed I had “fainting spells due to low blood sugar”. I never saw a neurologist, my family just took the word of the pediatrician I saw. I was given Tavist syrup which is pretty ludicrous. Later I learned “you don’t have low blood sugar” and then I spent some time being told “oh it’s anxiety”. Well then I had a grand mal in front of people. I was 25 and I still went through “what is this?” by doctors because the tests weren’t consistent. Then suddenly everything was. I got the life changing diagnosis and I often wonder what life would’ve been like if I always knew instead of wondering what the heck was wrong with me and constantly questioning my sanity.

    I hope you can figure out what works for you with or without doctor’s help. I don’t know why it’s still like this. You’d think things would’ve improved by now, but I guess not.

    1. michael raven Avatar

      Now that I have an actual plausible diagnosis I can act to ameliorate with medications and lifestyle changes. Half of the battle has been doing things that are counterproductive or just plain unhelpful based on bad data from people too proud to admit they might be wrong (or too comfortable with the status quo).

      Doing research last night I was able to learn HOW my chronic pain was activating, and it now makes sense what worked and didn’t work in retrospect. I was being pointed towards the wrong solutions, for both medical and lifestyle changes.

      Cautiously optimistic, assuming that this is not just another false lead. But it gives me hope that I can do something to reduce the daily pain I have experienced for at least 25 years (my alcoholism, in part, was self-medication for pain), if the treatment helps. Hell, if I can sleep solidly for a night here and there, I’d be happy as hell. I honestly don’t recall the last full night of sleep I’ve had. Before the twins were born, certainly, and they are tweens.

      1. Jennifer Patino Avatar

        I understand completely. Knowing what it is helps to begin the road to managing everything. I hope this is a good lead for you.

  7. shadowartshealing Avatar

    thank you for voicing this…it makes me sad to hear of your suffering. i also struggle with chronic pain and it sucks :{ and yes, the medical system needs way more training on compassion in general, and the whole weight thing…have you heard of the “health at every size” movement? may blessings find you

    1. michael raven Avatar

      Thank you very much for your comments and for sympathizing with me.

      While I have not encountered that HAES phrase before, I have a cousin in the NW coastal area who has brought up similar frameworks for thinking in the past. The current PA I am seeing is less obsessed with those measures, likely because she would have the same problems meeting targets which were not designed for people built like either of us, so at least that will fade away for a spell.

      Thanks again, and may many blessing find their way to you as well.

      1. shadowartshealing Avatar

        You’re welcome and thank you. I’m glad you’re being seen by someone that offers more compassion than judgment. May it be so for the many that struggle. Continued blessings <3

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